Tolerance and Radical Disagreement

08 June 2019

What should you do in the face of radical disagreement? Do you live and let live, or try to convince the other person they’re wrong? Are some ideas just too terrible to tolerate? These are some of the questions we're tackling on this week's show.

In some cases, the best response to disagreement is just agreeing to disagree. If you like Marvel and I like DC, or you like Katy Perry, and I like Taylor Swift, what’s the problem? But when it comes to serious moral disagreements, that might not cut it. What if one person thinks abortion is a fundamental human right, and the other thinks abortion is murder? How can they get along?

衡量成功的一个可能标准是宽容:我们可以要求任何人都不要诉诸暴力,或破坏民主进程。但勉强的容忍似乎是一个非常低的标准。如果你的朋友或配偶勉强容忍你,你会作何感想?难道你不应该期待从你的同胞那里得到某种程度的尊严、尊重和肯定吗?

即使你对你的人类同胞持悲观看法,你仍然可能不满意“我不打扰他们,他们也不打扰我”的政策。你可能会觉得他们的观点不仅是错误的,而且是非常危险的。错误的观点会导致无辜的人死亡,或者气候变化导致地球毁灭。

Silencing people who disagree with you, even if they're deeply wrong, would be morally fraught. But silencing isn't the only alternative to mere tolerance. You might hope to engage in rational dialogue that persuades others. If you do, it seems that in fairness, you should also be open to persuasion yourself. But then, opening yourself up to persuasion makes you vulnerable to various kinds of error. What if you open yourself up to flat-earthers, or Holocaust deniers, or homophobes who want to put queer people through conversion therapy?

Sometimes ideas are so ignorant and morally bankrupt that they're not worth considering. Or what if you open yourself up to a conversation with someone who doesn't want to sincerely persuade you, but is just trying to wind you up, or strong-arm you into supporting their cause, or make you click a link that generates advertising revenue?

On the other hand, the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, and gay marriage were all, at one time or another, ideas that struck the majority of people as wrong, perhaps unworkable. What if everyone had dismissed those ideas just because they were unfamiliar? Not everyone who disagrees with you has to be foolhardy or bigoted.

Sometimes listening to the opposition can be useful, and sometimes it’s a waste of time that won’t get you any closer to the truth. The trick is figuring out which disagreements are which. When should we open ourselves up to moral persuasion? Please listen in, comment here, or send us an email and help us figure out the answer.

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Harold G. Neuman

Sunday, June 9, 2019 -- 1:24 PM

As eloquently put by Clint

As eloquently put by Clint Eastwood in a Dirty Harry movie: A man's got to know his limitations. If I (or anyone else) tried to espouse, defend, refute, or change any/every cause, ideology or hare-brained notion that crossed my path, there would be no time for any other life-activity we might wish to pursue. Especially the ones conducive to leading a productive existence. This is relevant to a passage from Kenneth Burke's TOWARDS A BETTER LIFE, pg. 200: ..."Though no one would CHOOSE failure, we may yet maintain that failure is a choice, since one may persist in attitudes which make failure inevitable'...(cap. emphasis, mine). As I have agreed with John Dewey that beliefs are 'shady', I must also contend that we are hard put to alter peoples' beliefs when those are based on 'moral' or 'ideological' 'principles'. (Sorry about the scare quotes, but words, as they are used today,have little or no relationship with how they were used a hundred years or more ago.) Pursuant to Burke's declamation, people embrace failure at a rapid clip today, through their attitudes and behaviors. I may think Donald Trump is among the top three worst presidents ever to serve. A hundred other people may believe quite the opposite. I won't change my mind and they are unlikely to change theirs. These are, in the best sense of Burke's notion, choices, whether anyone does or does not consider them failures.

The actions involved, of necessity, lead to consequences, even if those are of minimal, or better, ephemeral impact. We could talk this issue into the next century. Most of us, alive now, will not be able to do so. Tolerance is what we have allotted ourselves. It does not resolve problems. And, it never will... Sugar-coated poisons are still poisons.

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PDXMAXLady

Thursday, June 13, 2019 -- 11:19 PM

I found it interesting that I

我觉得很有趣,我听着这个节目,非常享受,我相信肯说他不同意摩门教的观点。真的,你为什么这么想?不是所有的“摩门教”或我喜欢的耶稣基督后期圣徒教会的成员,都符合你所相信的模式。我信奉教会和国家的划分。我相信爱我的同胞,而不是评判他们。我认为政府不应该走进我的教堂,告诉我该相信什么。我没有投票给唐纳德·特朗普,我不相信堕胎,但我不同意强制执行我的信仰。但是我们能同意堕胎不应该被用作节育吗?我还是有点惊讶,我被认为是一个你不可能同意的人。
Thank you for the opportunity to explain my possibilities.

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Eddie L

Saturday, June 15, 2019 -- 4:59 AM

No one knows everything, but

没有人什么都知道,但要做出明智的决定,我们首先需要知道。有时,人们在收集到足够的信息之前就会争吵。有时,他们可能会有先入之见,对自己的观点有偏见。有时,他们获得事实,思考它们,但无论如何得出不同的结论。人们不会在真空中做决定。他们有自己需要考虑的周边环境,所以他们会有不同的意见也就不足为奇了。但对我来说,只要这是一个明智和理性的决定,人们要为他们的决定带来的任何后果负责,这就没问题。

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Tim Smith

Saturday, November 13, 2021 -- 11:23 AM

The trick is not figuring out

The trick is not figuring out which disagreements are truth impinging or time wasteful. The trick is to consider the common life. We should always be open to moral persuasion regarding the common path.

Openness isn't to say that we should not be steadfast in our beliefs and reasons. We need to question those reasons. Change is born of unexpectedness. Listening to the man who has peed himself on the bus can teach as well as disgust.

I will always be a man who's open to persuasion. We need to rebuild what was never there. You can't do that without persuasion or worse.

I am channeling my inner Tim Finn more than a bit here. His lyric "Persuasion" is one of the pillars of my musical youth. I won't be talked out of that so easily.

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MaryGM21

Tuesday, December 21, 2021 -- 12:32 PM

I enjoyed the opening

我喜欢开头关于信仰的对话。它机智睿智,展示了从简单(或过分简单化)到复杂的过世界杯赛程2022赛程表欧洲区程,可以说,令人担忧,或至少可能如此。这一实践表明,我们如何形成自己的信念,当我们专注于对我们最重要的事情,并将其与现实结合起来时,我们发现,为了按照我们的价值观体面地生活,我们需要采取至少可能激怒他人、在最坏情况下可能升级为暴力反抗的行动。在我看来,人类已经达到了一个进化的阶段,一旦我们清楚地认识到自己的价值观,我们必须做出选择,在我们的生活中如何尊重它们,我们也必须找到一种有效和非暴力的方式来做到这一点。培养相互倾听的力量是照亮这一进化变化的关键之光。我们过去的“冲突工具”需要一些“重组”,以便我们能够说服和呼吁每个人对“善”的认识,无论是个人的,还是集体的,以及深远的层面。正确的需要需要被释放,因为它会导致不必要的防御行动,导致剥夺选举权和潜在的破坏。同样重要的是争论细节,同意不同意见,妥协或不妥协。知道什么时候做这一切是很棘手的,这就是正直、自知之明和为公共利益和个人利益服务的愿望,是唯一可行的方法。

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