Truth and Bullshit

27 January 2007

On today's show (i.e., Sunday January 28, 2007) Ken and I will interview Harry Frankfurt, Professor Emeritus at Princeton University. Frankfurt has been around a long time, even longer than me, I think. He has written important work on Descartes and the Cartesian Circle (seeDemons, Dreamers, and Madmen, 1970), freedom and free will (seeFreedom of the Will and the Concept of the Person in theJournal of Philosophy, 1971) and related issues of caring, love, identity and much else (seeThe Importance of What We Care about: Philosophical Essays, 1988,Necessity, Volition, and Love, 1999 and认真对待自己并做好它,2005)。Today we'll focus on, or at least begin with, his two best-selling little books,On Bullshit, 2005, andOn Truth,2006. The first decries and defines bullshit; it assumes we care about the truth, the second tells us why we should.

Philosophy literally means "love of wisdom," or so I am told. Modern analytic philosophers might find "wisdom" a little pompous, and prefer "love of truth" as an articulation of the central aim of philosophers. Of course, love of, or devotion to, truth, is not peculiar to philosophy. But still, it is a central aim. But philosophy is also, as we like to say on Philosophy Talk, devoted to questioning everything (except your intelligence), then we are committed to questioning the central aims of philosophy, including truth, and the value of questioning everything.

Frankfurt makes the point that truth is often of practical significance. This is certainly true in life's mundane affairs. If I want to show up for the program on time, it's better that I think that it will start at 10 a.m., when it will start, than 11 a.m., by which time it will be over. If I want to drive there, it's best if my gas gauge is correct, so that I don' t think my tank is full when it is empty.

一些不那么平凡的事情也是如此。布什入侵伊拉克时认为伊拉克拥有大规模杀伤性武器。从那时起,我们就被告知这不是事实并不重要。布什说他会重新来过,即使他当时知道他现在知道的;就连克里也拿不定主意,知道他现在知道的情况是否会改变他的投票。布什和克里的思维过程就更糟糕了。

A distinction worth making, I think, is between cases in which the truth is important because the subject matter involved is itself important, independently of whether people know or care about it, and cases in which the truth is only derivatively important, because philosophers or others care about it, and if we get something wrong we will be in some sort of trouble with these people. It matters if the earth is getting warmer, particularly if there is something we can do about it. This was so, before we realized it was getting warmer, and it would be so, even if we hadn't figured it out yet. It is the warmng of the earth that will have many effects on human life, which if we know the truth we may be able to prevent, or at least prepare for.

But consider the fact that Locke's chapter on personal identity only appeared in the second edition of hisEssay.That's important to me. It means we can't appeal to his theory of personal identity to explain other parts of hisEssay, that already appeared in the first edition. If I don't know this fact, I may say something stupid about theEssay. Other Locke fans may think less of me. And so forth. The negative effects not knowing the truth don't stem in any direct way from Locke and his writings, but from the fact that other people care about getting the facts about Locke right.

Once there was a scholarly debate about whether Berkeley suffered from chronic constipation. A whole book was written on this subject, and it provoked many articles. Berkeley's chronic constipation, if he had that problem, was important to him, and knowing the truth about it may have been important to the folks that dealt with him --- tar water merchants and the like. But whether he did or not had no effect on anyone who took part in this debate. All that mattered was that they and other people were curious, and cared one way or another.

如果我们诚实的话,我们似乎不得不承认,人文学科的许多研究都与那些真相没有直接重要性的主题有关;它只有这种间接的重要性,因为人们出于某种原因已经开始关心它了。而且,我怀疑,很多数学研究,尤其是像大型基数理论这样的主题,也有这个特点。坦率地说,我怀疑这涉及了太多的科学。我们正在发现火星上是否曾经有水的真相,这真的很酷。也许它有直接的重要性,因为有一天我们会在火星上有殖民地,或者我们对火星的一些了解,会打开那里是否有水,会导致癌症或脚癣的治疗,或者上帝知道的什么。

Be that as it may, I don't think the money we spend on finding out whether Mars has water could be justified on a hard-nosed cost benefit analysis, any more than the (very modest) amounts we spend on learning minutae about the composition of the works of dead philosophers or novelists could be. The truth about these things is most likely only important because people care about it.

有时哲学家和其他热爱真理、追求真理的人,为他们的事业寻求一个比他们关心他们所研究的事物的真理更为坚实的基础,其他人也是如此。对真理的探索成为人类真正的使命,人类精神的不可避免的致密,或类似的东西。在这一点上,真理的爱好者变成了胡说八道的提供者。

Or so it seems to me right now. Insight? Or chronic constipation?

Comments(11)


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Monday, January 29, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

Great post, John, and great show, John, Ken, and H

很棒的帖子,约翰,很棒的节目,约翰,肯和哈里。
In the Genealogy of Morals (I:1), Nietzsche says, "I hope from my heart they may be the reverse of this--that these investigators and microscopists of the soul may be fundamentally brave, proud, and magnanimous animals, who know how to keep their hearts as well as their sufferings in bounds and have trained themselves to sacrifice all desirability to truth, EVERY truth, even plain, harsh, ugly, unchristina, immoral truth. --For such truths exist."
这是一个强有力的主张,我不知道尼采是否相信,我们有压倒一切的兴趣去发现每一个真理。即使我们有这样做的表面利益这种说法在我看来也是不可信的,但更有力的说法显然是不可信的。假设一个婴儿在浴缸里溺水了。你知道你可以去图书馆,找出中间书架左数第57本书是哪本书,然后你可以把第23页的单词加起来。你自己就能知道真相,但你也知道如果你这么做,你救不了孩子。你知道这是怎么回事了。
I guess it is an obvious point, made by both John and Ken on the show, that we don't care about MANY truths, and surely we have other interests that must frame and guide our pursuit of our interest in truth. Presumably, Harry would agree. Given this, it is a bit harder to formulate the exact thesis of someone holding to the importance of truth--it seems disapointing to say that we have an interest--a strong interest--in pursuing and finding the truth in certain (although not all) areas, an interest which is one of many, and which is not necessarily overriding. Unexciting, but true?

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Monday, January 29, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

woops--in the quote from Nietzsche, "unchritina" s

woops--in the quote from Nietzsche, "unchritina" should (obviously) have been "unchristian".

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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

Your audience is perhaps unaware of the obscure se

Your audience is perhaps unaware of the obscure semantic paradox that is really called "The Bullshitter." Like its better-known cousin the "Liar" paradox, "The Bullshitter" requires identifying a sentence that says of itself "I am false." The problem is that nobody cares enough about "The Bullshitter" to actually construct the paradox! (Uh, that's a joke....)
不过,严肃地说,我们还不清楚胡扯者(是人,而不是悖论)是如何沟通的。在《论扯淡》一书中,你的嘉宾哈里·法兰克福写道:“(扯淡者的)言论的真实价值对他来说没有核心兴趣……他的意图既不是报道真相,也不是隐瞒真相。”那么,如果一个吹牛的人并没有这样做的意图,他是如何做出断言的呢?这是法兰克福的观点吗,这个废话连篇的家伙本来就没什么可说的,而笑话是你以为他说了?
The bullshitter, then, is reminiscent of Aristotle's sophist in Metaphysics Gamma, who, having denied the principle of contradiction -- that for no proposition P is both P true and not-P true -- is unable to assert anything because, whatever he might say, its contradiction also will be true. Like Aristotle's sophist, the bullshitter will quite literally have nothing to say. So how much of a threat can he be? Isn't it more difficult to do harm when you have nothing to say? Maybe the real problem is that the bullshitter is just terribly misunderstood, naturally enough since he doesn't communicate well.
"Bullshit is unavoidable," Frankfurt writes, "whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about." But knowing in what sense? Do we invoke Bertrand Russell's distinction between knowledge-by-acquaintance and knowledge-by-description, and say that the bullshitter talks on subjects about which he has no perceptual acquaintance? In one fell swoop the philosopher, the quantum physicist, and yes even the mathematician becomes a bullshitter. In fact, the mathematician becomes the supreme bullshitter -- not to be confused with Leibniz's supreme monad -- devoting his life to clever glass bead games which make it look that he more than anyone knows what he is talking about, when in fact the mathematician is bullshitting the most!
Cheers,
-paul

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Per Fagereng

Wednesday, January 31, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

The country is drowning in bullshit these days, bu

The country is drowning in bullshit these days, but the FCC won't let you use that word on the radio. So I have coined a term, which all are invited to use -- poopaganda.

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Thursday, February 8, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

考虑买我的“前卫”小说。Thus, y

考虑买我的“前卫”小说。因此,你将从你的内在自我获得如何进行的启蒙(当然是24/7的讽刺讽刺)。这是双赢的局面,伙计。上帝保佑你有洞察力。

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Thursday, February 15, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

Would a person after becoming famous refuse to ans

Would a person after becoming famous refuse to answer readers be committing B.S because he is not being true to the end?

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Monday, February 19, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

One problem with the truth is that it is interesti

One problem with the truth is that it is interesting only to those that are interested.
If we look at our pre-historic relatives, their truths
were basic,ie food, water and shelter meant survival.
Today we consider truth to be equivent with those issues
that make our lives "convenient" and easier to live with.

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Wednesday, February 21, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

What is the universal significance of any doctrine

What is the universal significance of any doctrine,
if it is not embraced with honesty and practiced in truth.

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Tuesday, November 13, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

Definitely a BS Adverse Blog! Great job calling

Definitely a BS Adverse Blog!
Great job calling bullshit.

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Wednesday, November 14, 2007 -- 4:00 PM

IF THINGS IN THIS LIFE ARE TEMPERARY WHY DO I WANT

如果这辈子的事情都是暂时的,我为什么那么想要它们。

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Monday, December 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM

Rather that quoting from some long dead philosophe

Rather that quoting from some long dead philosopher, I think I will go with the chronic constipation.