Saints, Heroes, and Schmucks Like Me

02 September 2005

Thanks to Susan Wolf for an interesting discussion. The episode certainly prompted lots of response from listeners. We must have set a record for questions submitted via e-mail. There were also more callers than we could get to.

苏珊说得有道理。生活得好不仅仅是奴隶般地、一意孤行地致力于道德上的完美——无论是对自己还是对世界。我希望生活中充满各种各样的美好事物——其中许多是非道德的。我需要思考美的时刻,即使通过这种思考,我对整个世界没有任何收获,只是把自己提升到日常生活的世俗要求之上。我想完善我作为一个哲学家的能力,并利用它们来探索最深层的哲学奥秘,即使通过我的探索,世界仍然在道德上尽可能地不完美。我想用我最深沉的爱去探索性爱快感的高度,去照料我的玫瑰,和我心爱的人在一起度过空闲的时光,甚至只是独处。如果道德要求,而不是要求——因为我们讨论的是超能力,而不是“单纯”责任——我放弃对这种商品的追求,把我所有的精力用于追求道德上的完美,无论是对我自己还是对世界,我会拒绝这种要求。

There are times, of course, when moralitydemandspersonal sacrifices, large or small, of us. When morality calls in this way, I hope that I can find it within myself to answer. There is surely something to the idea that the demands of morality (purport to)overrideany non-moral demands. Someone who would let another perish that he could easily save, just so that he might continue to enjoy even the best imaginable, once in a life time sort of meal, cares too much for his own pleasure and too little for morality.

On the other hand, the presumed overridingness of morality is more complicated than many allow. In particular, I don't think that the demands or morality are rationally inescapable as, say, Kantians would maintain. But that's a complicated issue that I don't want to explore in depth here.

But back to supererogation. As I said, I agree with Susan Wolf that one needn't as a general rule give up the pursuit of all non-moral goods for the sake of a single-minded and slavish devotion to morality. Still, it seems to me that she does inadequate justice to the pull of the supererogatory upon us. The supererogatory isn't something toward which morality isindifferent. The supererogatory isn't a domain of "take it or leave it" sorts of matters. The supererogatory often concerns matters of great moral significance. These aren't, it seems to me, the sort of things that one can greet with a shrug of the shoulders. That's because they have some call on us, even if we aren't obligated or duty-bound to do what is supererogatory.

例如,假设我真的可以做一些伟大的道德行为,甚至是英勇的行为。但假设我不这么做是出于对非道德善的偏好。虽然我在道德上可能没有做错什么,但在我看来,我在道德上并不完全值得钦佩。如果说我没有做那些额外但不必要的事情就应该受到责备,这也许是不太正确的。但也不能说我没有做这些额外的事是道德冷漠的问题。这种附加作用对我们施加了一些道德拉力,即使它没有使我们承担义务。偏爱非道德商品而非强制性的道德商品与偏爱爵士乐而非歌剧不同。后者没有道德意义。但我认为前者具有深刻的道德意义。

不过,我不太确定如何确切地描述这种道德吸引力。It's not quite right to say that we are entitled toblame or punish那些拒绝做力所能及的附加行为的人。What seems more appropriate is a kind ofdisappointmenteither in ourselves or others when we turn away from the supererogatory. At a very minimum, we do not greet such "failures" with mere shrugs of the shoulder, as if they were of no moral moment.

Some moral theorists reject the existence of the supererogatory. One reason for that, I suspect, is that they think there is no way to accommodate the standing pull of the putatively supererogatory with its status as merely optional. Such approaches give too much weight to some of the requests of morality and too little weight to all non-moral goods. These approaches elevate morality into something of a despotic and hegemonic ruler over our lives. On such approaches, it is as if our lives are first given over to morality and only after morality has extracted its due from us are our lives given back over to us. Something like this thought, I think, is behind the idea that at least the commandments of morality are overriding. But if you add the thought that even the supposedly supererogatory partakes of the imperial majesty of morality, you might quickly be led to reject the very idea of the supererogatory. Morality becomes set of inescapable commandments (together with a set of "permissions") all the way down. The "above and beyond" simply disappears.

Though I don't quite no how to articulate it, there must be a middle ground between the view that morality is hegemonic and the view that the merely morally good but not morally required does not partake of the full "majesty" of the morally required. Two things indicate that our common sense morality at least implicitly recognizes the existence of such a middle ground. First, there is the very fact that we do esteem heroes and saints as ideals. Second, there is the fact that our attitude towards "non-heroes" who enjoy both the opportunity and the capacity to step in but, nonetheless, refused to do so involves more than a mere shrug of the shoulders. Though there are many circumstances in which we don't blame or punish such people, there are many circumstances in which our admiration diminishes, in which we think less of the person who "failed" in this way and express various forms of disapprobation toward them.

当然,就像我们在节目中说的,有时候,不寻常的行为确实是道德要求。人们可能会忍不住说,我们唯一可以合法地反对那些未能做出英雄壮举的人的时候,是需要的时候。但在我看来,这只是在重复苏珊•沃尔夫的错误。仅仅在道德上是好的,但不被要求的,对我们的吸引力不像道德上要求的那样大。但这并不是说它对我们没有吸引力,我们只需要对它的消失无动于衷。根据不同的情况,当我们放弃一些道德上的善而选择一些非道德上的善时,总会有遗憾、失望或羞愧的余地。不仅有空间,而且没有遗憾、羞耻或失望的感觉,这对我来说是一种道德上的盲目。

What follows. Not that we are all called to give our all only for morality. But it does follow that the morally good is always present to us as an outstandingly worthy option, an option that we may rationally prefer to forgo, but always at some costs. Feelings of regret, shame or disappointment are ways of recognize such a cost as a cost.

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Monday, September 5, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

我不太同意。I am sort of convinced by an

我不太同意。我被一个论点说服了我认为这个论点把我们引向了一个更道德的方向。
The argument is, I hope I am using the word correctly, Kantian in a sense.
If you realize yourself as a rational agent and if you "want moments in which I contemplate beauty", "want to perfect my abilities as a philosopher and use them to plumb the depths of the deepest philosophical mysteries", "want to explore the heights of erotic pleasure with my deepest love, to tend my roses", then you will perhaps agree that there are other rational agents who may have similar needs and desires. And if you philosophically elevate your ability to accomplish these tasks, by the same token, you will also elevate others' potential to do these.
So, I think helping others and being moral are not really supererogatory but just something you should do by rational considerations - it isn't an option. I realize that you mean immensely self-sacrifical acts by "the supererogatory" but I think the distinction between "the supererogatory" and "moral requirements" can be made rather arbitrarily. And most people think that just refraining from negative acts is enough to be moral and anything more is just supererogatory.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

The Highest Good consists of the moral good and th

“至善”包括道德上的善和自然目的的实现。实现自然目的需要明确认识基本的人类利益。这些是友谊、审美体验、知识、游戏和生活。这些都是显而易见的好东西。这就是所谓的美好。行善或实现道德上的善只有在我们清楚地了解什么对人类是好的之后才开始。我认为道德的完美在于不做任何事情来阻碍人们对人的基本利益的追求,而是尽量最大限度地实现人的基本利益。完美的道德还能有什么呢?道德的完善包括最大限度地实现所有人对人类基本利益的追求。

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

Nick: I'm not sure whether you are agreeing or

Nick:
我不确定你是同意还是不同意苏珊·沃尔夫的方法。你所说的道德完美似乎包含了很多沃尔夫所说的非道德的美德。从某种意义上讲,包含更多商品的生活,包括道德的和非道德的,似乎比包含更少商品的生活更好。我想沃尔夫不会否认这一点。她担心的是,更多道德商品的存在能否“弥补”非道德商品的缺失。显然,她不这么认为。
Cosmic:
I'm not sure I see why my own pursuit of, say, philosophical excellence, should necessarily have any impact on others. I could just sit in my study and think and never write a thing and never even appear on the radio. Similarly, even if I recognize that others have needs and desires like my own, nothing follows about whether I will or should devote my energies to helping others satisfy their needs and desires.

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Friday, September 9, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

It depends on what you mean by "impact" and the di

It depends on what you mean by "impact" and the distinction between a "passive" moral agent and an "active" moral agent.
I first heard about this distinction from the guy across the hall to you :P. Mr. Bobonich, in last year's Visions IHUM, at some point gave a very convincing example about the need to be actively engaged as a moral agent - that passiveness can not be moral. (This may not be his opinion but this is what I infer). His example was something like: Imagine that you are walking down a street in a rainy day and right next to you, a baby is drowning in a poodle of water. Would you consider yourself moral if you did nothing and just walked away? I think not. Similarly, in the face of the great evils perpetuated by other people, I think we should consider ourselves immoral if we simply do nothing. (Take the Iraqi War for instance.)
Noam Chomsky, when asked why he was involved in political activism to the point that he lacked a non-political social life, he answered something like "If someone was being beaten and oppressed in the street, would you just sit there and do nothing? In fact, I am surprised by how little I am involved and how even less other people are involved."
I think this notion of "having no impact upon others" is just a smoke-screen to smuggle theses that protect our selfish interests. As John Donne said, "No man is an island onto himself/Every man is part of the continent"
So, yes, if one was to spend one's life contemplating abstract philosophical or scientific notions that aren't practically related to life, I wouldn't consider that a well-lived life. I would consider such a person what Nietzsche called in the Birth of Tragedy "a spoilt idler in the garden of knowledge."
As for the other point about how our realization of ourselves relates to others, I'll let the another person across the hall to you do the talking. I hate to argue by authority(and I repent I have done many times so in this text) but Mr. Wood in his paper "On the Ethics of Embryonic Stem Cell Research", writes (emphasis mine):
为什么康德认为人的理性本性本身就是目的?正如我对他的理解,康德认为我们不能在做决定时使用理性,除非我们自身的理性本性具有特殊和主要的价值,因此,如果我们是一致的,那么其他人也同样如此。正是拥有理性行动的能力,尤其是自主行动的能力,从根本上使人成为一个人。理性本性的价值对我们提出的基本要求是,我们在行为中表达对理性本性的尊重,尤其是在我们对待他人的行为中。
Unless one has a solipsist view of the universe, I think it's only consistent if we are ACTIVELY moral - and such a requirement isn't supererogatory.
(Great show by the way. Keep up the good work!)

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Friday, September 9, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

Poodle => Pond Just a correction...

Poodle => Pond
Just a correction...

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Sunday, September 11, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

Moral goods cannot be comprehended without referen

Moral goods cannot be comprehended without reference to non-moral goods. Moral goods (involve doing) can in no way compensate for non-moral goods (involve having). They are incommensurable. Each basic non-moral good is incommensurable with every other basic non-moral good.

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Monday, September 12, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

Ken: If you truly want to explore ?philosophi

Ken:
If you truly want to explore ?philosophical excellence? I would argue that it requires your interaction with other minds, and I assume by your participation in forums such as this you agree. You could argue that you don?t have to, but the reasoning behind why interaction allows a better exploration is separate issue. And if through interaction, your pursuit of excellence allows others to pursue theirs you have added to the world?s utility.
The fact that not writing anything would have to be a conscious act to not leave anything behind I believe makes the argument as to how your pursuit of excellence is a moral good.
That said it is not merely pursuit of a moment of beauty and erotic experience but those we affect in that pursuit.
Cosmic:
Baby in a poodle (that?s a very bad dog ?) is a very tough moral rule. And the loophole is very F-451. By that definition as long as we have no knowledge of ?evils? we have no obligation. And conversely the more we know about our world the harder it will be to be moral regardless of the good we can do.
So can we tie moral goodness to what we know? What if I spend all of my time righting the wrongs in Iraq, which I might not be very good at, when on the other hand I could focus on a pursuit of excellence in an area to which I am more ?acclimated? (I would say that passions dictate this). This area might not posses the same ?positive moral ranking? as fixing Iraq, but if I can be more excellent at it perhaps I can add more positive utility to the world. Let?s say I start a business (something my passion will allow me to be excellent at) and employ a kid, who one day uses the money from the job to buy a book about international policy. That kid grows up to be president, and finally Iraq is fixed.
当然,这个故事很牵强,但不会比一只幼崽吃狮子狗更糟糕。这就把道德美德留给了我们的激情。如果我们的热情妨碍了别人阅读他们的呢?

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Sunday, October 9, 2005 -- 5:00 PM

Here are some thoughts on the question of desirabi

Here are some thoughts on the question of desirability to be or to be with a saint. I liked the distinction of the "duty-bound" saint vs. the love-motivated saint. What I did not agree with was the concept of love that Susan suggested.
I believe that the saintly love that was discussed touches such deep levels of fullfilment that there is no need, in fact not even a thought of anything but that pursuit, even to the point of joyful self-neglect.
还有,跟圣人在一起不会“有趣”的想法让我难以置信。我想象中的圣人“与高兴的人一起高兴,与哭泣的人一起哭泣”——这可能包括对愤世嫉俗或低俗的笑话发笑。爱不等于自以为是!
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